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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wyl,
Slaughtering an animal in this manner is such a personal act that it makes it much harder to do, at least for me. I do believe that it is the most kind and respectful method. The problem for me is in overcoming my own fears of messing up.  That first motion made is extremely nerve wracking for me, but once it is done the apprehension leaves me and the animal simply becomes meat that needs taken care of - meat for which I am very thankful for. Thankful to God and for the animal. I do not have any anthropomorphic  notions in my head but it does help me to voice my thankfulness to the animal before I take it&#039;s life. It has done what God designed it to do.  It has finished it&#039;s task.  And I got to watch it cavort in the pasture with myself and the other goats, so I know it had a good life. It is a good end.
  
We have had mobile Butchers come and slaughter the beef steers we have raised here and the end product is not nearly as good.  Using the Halal or Kosher method there is far, far less blood left in the meat. 

I believe with all my heart that you will be glad yo choose this method.  I perused your site and it is evident you care for your animals.  It is good to care for them at their end.

Yes,calmness is paramount! As far as the knife goes, well it is nothing special.  If I remember correctly, it is advised that you use a blade that is twice as long as the animals neck is wide (don&#039;t quote me on that).  I have a machete that I bought at our local farm store that was made for clearing brush.  It has a spring steel blade that is 24&quot; long. I would not feel comfortable using a shorter blade because the whole thing can be done with one deliberate stroke. Make sure it is extremely sharp and there will be no resistance from the tissues (I was very surprised at the lack of resistance to the blade). This machete sharpens up very nice (my son does the sharpening for me on a diamond honing stone).  I make the cut right below the jaw bone and I begin on one side, slicing through the arteries on both sides as well as the windpipe.  So far I have not had a bad result.

If I have any advise, I would just say that a person can be apprehensive only until the first twitch of your own muscles.  From then on, there is no turning back.  Be deliberate! It helps to tell myself that this is the method used by mankind since creation.  

I pray God will bless your desire to treat your animals right. 

Thanks for stopping in.
Allen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wyl,<br />
Slaughtering an animal in this manner is such a personal act that it makes it much harder to do, at least for me. I do believe that it is the most kind and respectful method. The problem for me is in overcoming my own fears of messing up.  That first motion made is extremely nerve wracking for me, but once it is done the apprehension leaves me and the animal simply becomes meat that needs taken care of &#8211; meat for which I am very thankful for. Thankful to God and for the animal. I do not have any anthropomorphic  notions in my head but it does help me to voice my thankfulness to the animal before I take it&#8217;s life. It has done what God designed it to do.  It has finished it&#8217;s task.  And I got to watch it cavort in the pasture with myself and the other goats, so I know it had a good life. It is a good end.</p>
<p>We have had mobile Butchers come and slaughter the beef steers we have raised here and the end product is not nearly as good.  Using the Halal or Kosher method there is far, far less blood left in the meat. </p>
<p>I believe with all my heart that you will be glad yo choose this method.  I perused your site and it is evident you care for your animals.  It is good to care for them at their end.</p>
<p>Yes,calmness is paramount! As far as the knife goes, well it is nothing special.  If I remember correctly, it is advised that you use a blade that is twice as long as the animals neck is wide (don&#8217;t quote me on that).  I have a machete that I bought at our local farm store that was made for clearing brush.  It has a spring steel blade that is 24&#8243; long. I would not feel comfortable using a shorter blade because the whole thing can be done with one deliberate stroke. Make sure it is extremely sharp and there will be no resistance from the tissues (I was very surprised at the lack of resistance to the blade). This machete sharpens up very nice (my son does the sharpening for me on a diamond honing stone).  I make the cut right below the jaw bone and I begin on one side, slicing through the arteries on both sides as well as the windpipe.  So far I have not had a bad result.</p>
<p>If I have any advise, I would just say that a person can be apprehensive only until the first twitch of your own muscles.  From then on, there is no turning back.  Be deliberate! It helps to tell myself that this is the method used by mankind since creation.  </p>
<p>I pray God will bless your desire to treat your animals right. </p>
<p>Thanks for stopping in.<br />
Allen</p>
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		<title>By: Wyl Smith</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Wyl Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Allen,
I am very interested in your method of killing. I also believe it is a very personal and spiritual act, after all this creature is giving it&#039;s life for your sustenance. Having them calm is key to a good outcome. I have a few questions I hope you can answer; what type of knife do you use?  Where is the optimum location to make the cut? Do you cut the wind pipe as well as the artery? I have several animals that will be butchered for Easter and I would like very much to employ your method.
Thank-you,
Wyl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Allen,<br />
I am very interested in your method of killing. I also believe it is a very personal and spiritual act, after all this creature is giving it&#8217;s life for your sustenance. Having them calm is key to a good outcome. I have a few questions I hope you can answer; what type of knife do you use?  Where is the optimum location to make the cut? Do you cut the wind pipe as well as the artery? I have several animals that will be butchered for Easter and I would like very much to employ your method.<br />
Thank-you,<br />
Wyl</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I as well raise goats for my family and have found the &#039;Halal&#039; or Kosher method to the most humane. I read a study by a University (Texas U I think) where multiple electrode implants were put into the brain of a goats at an early age. They were raised to slaughter weight together and then have were killed by traditional method used by most slaughter houses (bolt stun gun to the head) and the other half were killed using the Kosher method. Consistently, the kosher groups’ data showed no change in brain activity after cutting for 3 seconds, and then the animal quickly drops all brain activity as if they were simply falling into a deep sleep. Meanwhile, the heart rate remained for an extended time period (thus resulting in a better meat) ridding the carcass of blood. The bolt method consistently produced high pain waves through out the brain and the heart was stopped at 3 sec resulting in more blood in the meat.

The easy way most often isn’t the best. Thanks for the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I as well raise goats for my family and have found the &#8216;Halal&#8217; or Kosher method to the most humane. I read a study by a University (Texas U I think) where multiple electrode implants were put into the brain of a goats at an early age. They were raised to slaughter weight together and then have were killed by traditional method used by most slaughter houses (bolt stun gun to the head) and the other half were killed using the Kosher method. Consistently, the kosher groups’ data showed no change in brain activity after cutting for 3 seconds, and then the animal quickly drops all brain activity as if they were simply falling into a deep sleep. Meanwhile, the heart rate remained for an extended time period (thus resulting in a better meat) ridding the carcass of blood. The bolt method consistently produced high pain waves through out the brain and the heart was stopped at 3 sec resulting in more blood in the meat.</p>
<p>The easy way most often isn’t the best. Thanks for the post!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Davis</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen,

Thank you for this post.  My daughters and I were so greatly blessed by your the  sharing of your heart in something that seems repulsive to our modern society.  My daughters are studying goats and goat care and desire to begin raising them... primarily for milk, but also for meat.  This post really brought to light how personal it is to be responsible for the lives and deaths of God&#039;s creatures.  We thank and praise Him for men like you who love and are stewarding His creation in HIS truth.  Keep it up, brother!

BTW... your post on Homeschool Smug smacked me around a little... Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen,</p>
<p>Thank you for this post.  My daughters and I were so greatly blessed by your the  sharing of your heart in something that seems repulsive to our modern society.  My daughters are studying goats and goat care and desire to begin raising them&#8230; primarily for milk, but also for meat.  This post really brought to light how personal it is to be responsible for the lives and deaths of God&#8217;s creatures.  We thank and praise Him for men like you who love and are stewarding His creation in HIS truth.  Keep it up, brother!</p>
<p>BTW&#8230; your post on Homeschool Smug smacked me around a little&#8230; Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: randallgerard</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>randallgerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen,

Thanks, that all makes perfect sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen,</p>
<p>Thanks, that all makes perfect sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor, I have always been a steak man and when cutting up deer, elk and beef I have always cut as many steaks as possible with a few roasts and only leftovers ground into burger. But with a goat there are not any large cuts and the steaks are tiny.  We end up with more burger, stew meat and soup bones. Bar-b-Q the word.

Randall,  In my reading - and experience bears it out, the one thing that is sure to induce panic is restraining an animal that is not used to being restrained.  I have watched videos of middle eastern folks cutting just  the artery but they have to hold the animal down on the ground which is very unnatural.  There seems to be much more struggle and panic and it takes much longer.  As far as the cut goes - you know how it is when you cut yourself with a very sharp knife - it takes several seconds for pain to really register.  I believe it is the same with the goat, and by that time it has lost consciousness. The animal is senseless in just a couple seconds. Making sure the blade is very sharp and cutting through both sides in a single stroke seems as humane as can be attained. Hope that helps.
I have been very interested in pack goats but I really don&#039;t have the room here to keep all the animals I would like to.  I think it would be cool hunt elk or go on family hikes in the mountains with pack goats to carry the gear.  They are so personable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor, I have always been a steak man and when cutting up deer, elk and beef I have always cut as many steaks as possible with a few roasts and only leftovers ground into burger. But with a goat there are not any large cuts and the steaks are tiny.  We end up with more burger, stew meat and soup bones. Bar-b-Q the word.</p>
<p>Randall,  In my reading &#8211; and experience bears it out, the one thing that is sure to induce panic is restraining an animal that is not used to being restrained.  I have watched videos of middle eastern folks cutting just  the artery but they have to hold the animal down on the ground which is very unnatural.  There seems to be much more struggle and panic and it takes much longer.  As far as the cut goes &#8211; you know how it is when you cut yourself with a very sharp knife &#8211; it takes several seconds for pain to really register.  I believe it is the same with the goat, and by that time it has lost consciousness. The animal is senseless in just a couple seconds. Making sure the blade is very sharp and cutting through both sides in a single stroke seems as humane as can be attained. Hope that helps.<br />
I have been very interested in pack goats but I really don&#8217;t have the room here to keep all the animals I would like to.  I think it would be cool hunt elk or go on family hikes in the mountains with pack goats to carry the gear.  They are so personable.</p>
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		<title>By: Missouri Rev</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Missouri Rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen, Randall asks a good question concerning the cutting of the throat.  I imagine they bleed out so quick that they loose consciousness near instantly.  Is this correct? 

Randall, it was the Lord’s gracious providence and timely provision.  I had been looking into the prices and availability of various farm implements and realized that it would be very costly and time consuming.  But as the Lord already knew we had need of them, He orchestrated the circumstances behind their acquisition.  We knew they were eventually going to be sold, be we were told there was one individual who wanted them all.  Over the months we had approached him a number of times, but he wasn’t at all ready.  Then Art called him, asking if he knew where one could get an Oliver plow.  It just so happened he had one, though located somewhere else, and the conversation led to a visit by Art and me and the sale of all his equipment.  We are most thankful, though we know it means a lot of hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen, Randall asks a good question concerning the cutting of the throat.  I imagine they bleed out so quick that they loose consciousness near instantly.  Is this correct? </p>
<p>Randall, it was the Lord’s gracious providence and timely provision.  I had been looking into the prices and availability of various farm implements and realized that it would be very costly and time consuming.  But as the Lord already knew we had need of them, He orchestrated the circumstances behind their acquisition.  We knew they were eventually going to be sold, be we were told there was one individual who wanted them all.  Over the months we had approached him a number of times, but he wasn’t at all ready.  Then Art called him, asking if he knew where one could get an Oliver plow.  It just so happened he had one, though located somewhere else, and the conversation led to a visit by Art and me and the sale of all his equipment.  We are most thankful, though we know it means a lot of hard work.</p>
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		<title>By: randallgerard</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>randallgerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen,

I echo Tom&#039;s sentiments.  I have always just assumed that a bullet would be quicker and more humane then a knife; which only goes to show how thoroughly modern I am.  Thank you, I learned something today.

I have a question though.  I&#039;ve heard that if an animal&#039;s wind-pipe is cut when the major blood vessels are, that this induces panic because they can no longer breath.  Is that true in your experience?  And do you try to cut the jugulars only?

Also, have you thought about perhaps training some of your wethers as pack animals and selling them?  I hear they make wonderfully willing pack animals, being able to go anywhere a man can go, and carry almost as much as a strong man (40 to 50 pounds).  I know the U.S. Forest Service uses them on especially rough and rocky trips not suited to horses or mules.  Your wethers look like big strappin&#039; lads; it&#039;s just a thought.  I&#039;m not trying to get you to stop slaughtering them, just suggesting perhaps another market.  Wonderful post, keep up the good work.

Rev. Tom,

I&#039;m always amazed at your resourcefulness.  Where did you find all that antiquated equipment still in good repair?  You don&#039;t have to tell me; but I stand amazed at God&#039;s provision!  Thanks as well for your faithful emails.  I know I don&#039;t answer back, but believe me, I do mull them over...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen,</p>
<p>I echo Tom&#8217;s sentiments.  I have always just assumed that a bullet would be quicker and more humane then a knife; which only goes to show how thoroughly modern I am.  Thank you, I learned something today.</p>
<p>I have a question though.  I&#8217;ve heard that if an animal&#8217;s wind-pipe is cut when the major blood vessels are, that this induces panic because they can no longer breath.  Is that true in your experience?  And do you try to cut the jugulars only?</p>
<p>Also, have you thought about perhaps training some of your wethers as pack animals and selling them?  I hear they make wonderfully willing pack animals, being able to go anywhere a man can go, and carry almost as much as a strong man (40 to 50 pounds).  I know the U.S. Forest Service uses them on especially rough and rocky trips not suited to horses or mules.  Your wethers look like big strappin&#8217; lads; it&#8217;s just a thought.  I&#8217;m not trying to get you to stop slaughtering them, just suggesting perhaps another market.  Wonderful post, keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Rev. Tom,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at your resourcefulness.  Where did you find all that antiquated equipment still in good repair?  You don&#8217;t have to tell me; but I stand amazed at God&#8217;s provision!  Thanks as well for your faithful emails.  I know I don&#8217;t answer back, but believe me, I do mull them over&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Missouri Rev</title>
		<link>http://fourshrops.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/responsibility-in-slaughter/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Missouri Rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allen, what a blessing to see someone rightly steward their animals in obedience to God&#039;s Word.  I have never eaten goat before; how do you like to prepare it?  Keep up the good works.  BTW, tell Tyler we picked up several pieces of draft animal equipment yesterday all in working condition, all American made from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s --- 2 sorghum cane presses, a large corn grinder, a 1905 Dain hay press (makes square bales), an Oliver plow, a John Deere 14&quot; disk, a McCormick Deering corn planter, McCormick Deering cultivator, and a McCormick Deering hay rake.  Now we can be about producing food our animal&#039;s need as well as our own.  We will be baling hay by June, Lord willing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allen, what a blessing to see someone rightly steward their animals in obedience to God&#8217;s Word.  I have never eaten goat before; how do you like to prepare it?  Keep up the good works.  BTW, tell Tyler we picked up several pieces of draft animal equipment yesterday all in working condition, all American made from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s &#8212; 2 sorghum cane presses, a large corn grinder, a 1905 Dain hay press (makes square bales), an Oliver plow, a John Deere 14&#8243; disk, a McCormick Deering corn planter, McCormick Deering cultivator, and a McCormick Deering hay rake.  Now we can be about producing food our animal&#8217;s need as well as our own.  We will be baling hay by June, Lord willing.</p>
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